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Question about my "Surrenders"

Postby Dickster » Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:24 pm

My tally of "surrenders" is piling up (it's up to six), and it's starting to bother me because too many of them are NOT my fault. Are surrenders held against me in any way?

My most common problem is an opponent who simply disappears during a game we're playing, usually 1960: The Making Of The President (the game I spend most of my GTO time on). Something comes up, and they have to leave without logging off or surrendering or letting me know what's going on. Hey, I understand that--life intrudes now and then.

I don't discover that they're gone until I notice that they haven't done anything for a turn or two. If the game's turn timer runs out on you, it simply defaults to the first card in your hand, acting as though you'd played it for Campaign Points. Of course, to your opponent, it simply looks like you've made a normal choice--he can't tell that you're not there!

Then I sit there as the timer runs down on my opponent again, and it suddenly hits me that he didn't do anything with the CP's he was supposedly spending. Unsure of what's going on, I'll sit there for a few turns just to make sure I'm not seeing things. I'm taking my turns normally while my opponent does nothing. After watching this for 2-3 turns, I realize he's gone and forgot or neglected to tell me he was going anywhere.

At this point, the only option I know of is to abandon the game, but then I get charged for a Surrender! If piling up surrenders doesn't hurt me in any way, we're okay here--no harm, no foul. But then I realized that my surrender count shows on the little pop up profile that anyone can view, and now I'm worried a bit. First, anyone who sees my profile popup sees a pretty lame record--2 games, 1 disconnect, and 6 surrenders! I look like a real quitter because 1960 still isn't giving me credit for the dozens of games I've played, but it IS tracking all the times I've had to abandon a game because of a disappearing opponent!

So my first question is: does a surrender hurt my GTO reputation or standing in any way?
And if so: shouldn't disappearing players be charged with surrenders rather than charging them to their victims who finally give up waiting for them to return?
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Re: Question about my "Surrenders"

Postby Tuttle » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:06 am

Is this happening against "Sir Dribs alot"? He just dissapeared on the first round in a game i'm in, no notice or anything. Definitely frustrating especially since as you've mentioned, 1960 games played don't count but the surrenders do. Thus he has no motivation for just sitting it out... he will not rake up a loss. I think if gametable starts to add games played and win / loss stats for this game... the times of this happening will decrease dramatically.
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Re: Question about my "Surrenders"

Postby julio » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:43 pm

Boy, I am just playing Sir dribs Alot and he has just disappeared leaving in me in the lurch... forcing me to surrender continue this now solo game... Of course he waited til I was nicely ahead.
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Re: Question about my "Surrenders"

Postby RobEng » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:33 am

We are looking at improving the surrender process here at GTO. While I cannot speak for the whole community, in the past surrender stats did not impede acceptance to games.
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Re: Question about my "Surrenders"

Postby Timlagor » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:09 pm

A lot of people have racked up a lot of surrenders from A&A games in the past (before 9 city victories) and it doesn't seem to bother anyone. I certainly wouldn't worry abotu 6 but thanks for warning us about DribsAlot -I'm much more bothered by having people be so unsporting than by statistics.
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Re: Question about my "Surrenders"

Postby Kandelon » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:54 pm

Since we aren't counting other stats in beta, I think I'll go ahead and wipe the 1960 surrenders when it goes live. As for the individual you mentioned, we'll keep an eye on him.
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