Game stallers suck

[StompinStu]

Kamal, I hope you have enjoyed your one sided internet forum argument. As you can see, this is my first post. You must be a real loser to have so much time to dedicate to something so insignificant.

Let's see, my laptop caught a virus on Monday, was in the shop until Thursday afternoon, my wife is pregnant with twins, and I recently got a job promotion and am over 5 locations for my company in 3 states. Yeah, Kamal is a real priority. I'm sorry I didn't personally e-mail you to notify you of my virus issues.

I made 3 moves today, AFTER his idiotic comment to me. And yes, another posters comments are accurate. I want to see where I failed, where he is successful, so I can get better.

As for my comment to Kamal after his initial blast, it still stands. FU

[GuderianKrieg]

Very common for players to slow the pace after the start of the game or the swing to losing.
fact is we all like to win so folks put more time/effort/emphasis into thier favourite games than those they are clinging on to.
As long as they don't keep over running the timer you can have little compliant and as Kemal has not named folk he has done nothing wrong except vent a wee bit of frustration which was done in a non rude fashion so is perfectly exceptable and understandable.
How many of us have wins in PBEM games that are just getting drawn out,annoying but heck thats life...and if you really want to vent your anger buy a cat and steal toe capped boots.

[kemal81]

One sided? I told you during the game I am going to complain about you in the forum. This is why you know this thread exists because I told you. Why dont you repeat all you said in the game right here, too? The others are just talking without knowing the facts. And for the last time people, I said "take your loss like a man" and not "be a man". This is just telling someone what is right thing to do. In an aggresive way yes but so what? I am not the first person here who has done such an aggresive statement. Also thanks a lot you guys for encouraging this guy to leave more comments in the game and I am not talking about the one here. I am not talking about game stalling anymore. And once again that's not what made me give away the name. Do you guys really believe that I gave away his name only for stalling? If I was that kind of person I might as well have given away the person who forced surrendered me second time after apologizing for the first one in the other thread. For me this was worse than game stalling. What made me break my rule on not giving away names were two letters, 'F' and 'U'. Maybe I picked the wrong words to tell him to hurry. Or maybe I did that too soon. These are debateble. But what I am talking about is response. He might have said "Shut the hell up! You want to win this game you have take 9vc's". An example of aggressive response to an aggressive comment. Then this whole thing would have stayed between him and me. And most likely in a way that I am backing down. This is not the first thread that has been posted that one complains about another. Here is the perfect example. viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3287. You can see how aggresive both sides start, but because they are civilized the whole thing calms down between the two parties towards the end of thread. There is no one saying "FU" to anyone or any other inappropriate language. If some of you still believe what you said earlier then all I am learning right now is that GTO and GTO gamers believe that it is okay to use inappropriate language anytime in response to an aggresive comment or to a comment that is made too soon.
BK for your request to me to look at this whole thing objectively, I believe I did my part. Just want to remind you also that I was the first person who called my own request to be aggresive. That is not something that everybody does. And I might be the only person here ever to tell the person I am going to complain about that I am creating a thread about them so that they can defend themselves.
I am also glad that I finished that game. I had to go all the way to India, take out one stack after another to get the 9th vc, because 8th vc Berlin was not good enough.

[UtzChips]

I think most everyone who reads the forum, knows me!
I love gettin' in the middle of a good fight!

Even when I know: "Jumpin' in the ring to try and referee a fight between clowns, is seen by the audience as just another clown joinin' the fray!"

However, I can't help myself! I just lost a game to CanadianRebel, who hit my Brit combined fleet in sz30, where he loses 4 fighters on average, and didn't lose squat & it went downhill from there. So waaaaa..waaaaaaa You think you got problems!

Some of you know me that I don't like giving names in the forum. But I consider this one crossed the line. This opponent was taking his turns at most one hour after mines when he was ahead in the game thanks to very lucky dice he was getting. But when I turned the tide of the game and have Germany surrounded, he started to wait full 3 day limit to take his turns.

I'm sorry, but I find this tactic in pbe as perfectly legal. You stall, in the hopes that your opponent is not one of those who keeps good notes in Word, or wherever, and thus by the player winning not seeing the game in 3 days, may have got caught up in too many pbe games later in the game, or RL issues came up, etc. etc. All's fair in love & war!

However, once my opponent has proven that he isn't gonna' slip up........well, it's pretty much lights out.

I find it troublesome having to review a pbe game after having not seen it in 1 day! So, that is why I don't care for pbe much at all and keep good notes. Still, I have to make sure I didn't miss anything when I wrote the notes, so ........I'm still spending more time on my move than I do in a live game! WAY much more Even when I have a won game where I just need to close the deal.

The reason why I thought this one crossed the line was the language he decided to use where you can see that in the chat box. I might have been a little aggresive with my request but typing something like that behind the safety of a keyboard is just ...

Well, you woulda' got pretty much the same response from me. The last thing an opponent of mine wants to say to me during a game: "This game is over for you"

I had a guy tell me that yesterday..............4 hrs later, we are still playing! I own the pacific & all his islands & if not for the fact that Tokyo has 30+ inf in it & Germany had taken Russia and was really strong, & I was tired [10:30am & I was up all night, must have been a 5-6hr game] and making mistakes, etc., etc. I just might have been able to pull it out.

I had an expert tell me, after he crushed me with Russia on T1 and I couldn't take back Ukraine & Brits countered in Egypt & had 3 inf standing there & Japan had done really well everywhere he said:

"This will be quick! I have never lost a game with a position like this after Japan's T1."

3+ hours later, we are still playing & it isn't because I was stallin' either!

Them are fightin' words! So is: "Take your loss like a man!"

But that trash talk is a legal strategy used in an attempt to get your opponent to quit so they can rack up a quick win! Just doesn't work with me anymore. Well, maybe occassionally......but I shouldn't have been playin' to begin with.

I just want to let everybody to know that this is not chess.com or anything. You can't get away with game stalling here, like you do somewhere else. This is a smaller gaming community than chess.com. One advantage of this is that many players know each other. If you don't follow the unwritten rules of good sportsmanship, you can easily build a bad reputation for yourselves and the GTO community will be aware of it.

So, if his claim in this thread about RL issues is in fact true, he still gets a bad rap cause he took his whole 3 days? I've planned my moves [especially in the ladder league] wrote 'em out on Word & then came back the next day to see if I still like them or not.

You want to play to death, I am also ok with it. But in that case don't waste my time. Don't wait till the last hour of your time limit.

How is taking his whole 3 days wasting your time? You aren't sittin' by the computer waitin' for him to move are you?

I would not want my opponent to surrender at least until Germany falls. There is this extra joy I get, when I capture a capital.

OH MY FREAKIN' GOD!!!!!!!! So, you have an obviously won game & you want him to wait until you capture Berlin, you just don't want him to take 3 days before he decides the best way to defend?!

My intent was to show that I am getting a little frustrated.

This is what I just don't get...........where does the frustration stem from? Why is it so important to get this game over with? If it's a won game & all you need to do is wrap it up, well then I just make my moves whenever he moves. In the meantime, I do other things.

I have never & I mean NEVER EVER poured my 1st cup of coffee & gone to my computer with the anticipation of seeing which one my pbe opponents has moved!

we are playing a game here where sometimes tensions rise high. Yes it is a game, but many of us still get emotional.

You take the game WAY & I mean WAAAAAAY 2 SERIOUSLY!! It's a freakin' dice game! I mean come on man!
It's a board game for children 12 years & up.........I mean really! Really?!

They can get me fired up & hot as coals by saying "your toast in this game" & "you can chalk this one up in your loss column" Although I don't suggest it!

But they can't get me fired up by taking their allotted time.

I wish to FINALLY close this post with the following, which pretty much [in my opinion] sums up the game for almost all of us:

[When I read this post of Brent's, it took the wind outta' my sails & I said to myself: "Dammit! You're gonna have to delete this long post of yours Utz! Then I read kemal's last post in this thread & it seems he must have overlooked Brent's post, as he is continuing to rant on! So, it sticks..........I can't help myself........but you all knew that already ]

I will admit that I can get demoralized after a momentum shift. If I thought I had the game and then suddenly I don't, I might slow down my play. It kind of knocks the wind out of my sails. I'll step back, think about how the game has gone, and move cautiously to see if I can reel it back to the win category. Although if I feel the blow was irrecoverable (sudden and unexpected loss of a capital with no hope of recapture next round), I'll surrender out of self-loathing. That happens too .

On the victory side, I get excited when a win is close. I'll speed up my play, anxiously awaiting the 9 VC conclusion.

Surely I'm not the only one who has done this...

[mmd1]

kemal, you're splitting hairs now and using it to miss the point being made by others.

i'm not going to avoid a player because of something posted in here by another player. if you're not going to play a particular player again i don't need to know about it. what happens in a game between players stays in a game as far as i'm concerned. the games finishes and you move on to the next one.

clearly you don't like swearing. but sometimes an aggressive post will be met with swearing. now you can take this into consideration in the future.

ok, you've vented. many of us do so on occasions. move one.

[kemal81]

Okay I am reading all this and I am learning. I just learned that I can use any kind of language once somebody makes an aggresive statement towards me then I am free to say anything I want. If I have misunderstood anything please let me know guys. And don't be fooled by the way I am posting here and think that I don't like swearing. The reason I didn't use it so far, even in response to my opponents more swearing comments that I have not posted, was because I was under the impression that swearing here was inappropriate. I found out that I was wrong. And you know what screw it, I will still try not swear. Not because of my respect for GTO or the gamers, but because of my respect to myself. Because I believe a real "man" will not sit behind the safety of his keyboard and cuss to his opponents. And there is no way this person would have dared to say the same things to my face. And you guys are making another wrong assumption about me. I swear a lot when I talk to my friends and they do as well. And sometimes there are times some stranger will cuss at me in the street for whatever happened. Yeah it will get me angry but I would still think "well at least he was man enough to say it to my face". And I will cuss back. But we both know the consuquences what might happen because we are not behind the safety of a keyboard. This is why I don't like cussing when I am online to someone I don't know. I just don't find it a "manly" thing to do. It is not because I am mommy's little boy who won't swear.

i'm not going to avoid a player because of something posted in here by another player. if you're not going to play a particular player again i don't need to know about it. what happens in a game between players stays in a game as far as i'm concerned. the games finishes and you move on to the next one.

Who said anything about you should avoid this player? Or when did I say I don't want to play him again? I can play him anytime he wants. I will only suggest that first he becomes better at it first. One of my intention for creating this thread is that now, anybody who read this thread will watch him whether he will stall or not. And he knows others are going to watch him. So he won't stall again. I have fixed one player for you, so you are welcome.

ok, you've vented. many of us do so on occasions. move one.

I will move on, once he moves on. You haven't seen more comments made by him.
And Utz, you know I have the deepest respect for you, but I am kinda tired now and at this moment I kinda see it as you are taking some of my comments out of context. I will check back again tomorrow with a more clear mind and try to make sense out of it.

[StompinStu]

Stop whining Kamal. The court of public opinion is overwhelmingly in my corner. You are a douche bag, deal with it. As for my other comments, feel free to post the screen shots. In summary, I called Kamal a loser and reiterated my request for him to go F himself a couple more times.

For what it's worth, Kamal won the game. GG at that. You suck in real life.

Keep up your public internet forum meltdown. You must be a miserable person to have so much time to waste on such an endeavor.

[Demandred]

FU as a term of endearment? Nice.

And how is Brooklyn lately?

[BKBrawler]

FU as a term of endearment? Nice.

And how is Brooklyn lately?

FU, D.

[CaptainColeslaw]

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