Axis can`t win

[Rikler]

Hi all,

I like the new versions of AXIS & allies played here. I haven`t bought 42 yet but I probably will eventually.

I used to play Axis and Allies quite a bit when it was on Microsoft. I was a good axis, mediocre ally. mEDIOCRE BECAUSE i PLAYed aXIS ABOUT 90% or more of the time.

Much as I like this version of the gAME i DON`T SEE HOW AXIS CAN WIN. The extra russky territories slow down the Germ. The extra brit boats slow down the Jap.

That adds up to axis loss and traditional axis strategy doesn`t work. I`ve tried every trick in the book and i say axis can`t win.

I play a mediocre allies because I am far less experienced playing allies. Despite that handicap I will give would be axis players 10 all day long.

*** EDIT: 10 G bid based on a game featuring technology option [edit based on author's request] ***
It`s a good excuse to spruce up my allied play which was never anything but average or less.

Good Day Gents. Sorry for all those who love being the AXIS AS i DO.

[kemal81]

What do you mean Axis can't win? Rest of us approximately win as Axis as much as we do as Allies. Also give yourself more time. You played only 8 games. Btw do you bid? Because without the bid it will be really hard to win. I play minimum 7g most of the time if I'm Axis. I also suggest that you read the threads here about strategies of Germany or Japan.

[commander_chaos]

Good sound advice kemal. When I first came to this sight I still thought that a good UK T1 buy of two IC complex's for India and SA was a good idea.... caus it always worked with the small group of players 'round my parts... Guess what I learned My advice in the strat threads is to take everything with a grain of salt.... Notice that the best players dont post in the strat threads.... Hummm, wonder why So, step in with the advanced players and take notes on how you got your arse whooped playing the Allies... you'll find out quick, fast and in a hurry that the Axis do just fine in revised with a min 5 Germany bid. Personaly, avoid the Japan bids caus they are lame, Japan dosn't need a bid, Germany does...

[Rikler]

Awwwww Kermal,

If only it were true. What I find amazing is that most of you fellers operate on the assumption that Gametable is a monopoly on Axis and Allies experience.

The game has been around since the early 80`s and I`ve had the game since the early 90`s. Gametable has a simplified version of the real game that appears to have been designed by somebody who wished to undermine the best Axis strategies.

Now I will admit that I am a mediocre Allied player because I played Axis almost all the time but inspite of that handicap I will be happy to give you axis with 10.

My record giving AXIS 10 IS ONE WIN, NO LOSSES.

I will update this post as I win more games with my mediocre allied playing abilities.

[Rikler]

Yes Chaos, that would be good advice for a novice. Players that won`t post in this forum are most likely older players who participated in the Microsoft Axis and Allies rooms.

Apart from making a few adjustments for the expanded territories this form of the game has nothing new to teach and strategy is easier and more basic.

There aren`t any new tricks out there to show the old wolves. We already did it all.

I`m not cutting on the effort going on here. I think it`s great that the game is still alive and kicking.

I`m just saying that the Axis needs more help then it gets in this version of the game.

I intend to demonstrate it to be a fact. I`m not a very good allied player but I will still best Axis even giving it 10.

[UtzChips]

Now I will admit that I am a mediocre Allied player because I played Axis almost all the time but inspite of that handicap I will be happy to give you axis with 10.

My record giving AXIS 10 IS ONE WIN, NO LOSSES.

Check & see if I'm online when you are, because I'll take that offer. Even if you are one of the top experts here, who has opened him/herself up a new account...........I'll still take G10 for the fun of it.

[commander_chaos]

I will send you a revised challenge via pbem And no offence intended, but with only 8 games in here you are still new, at GTO at least

[BKBrawler]

Hiya Rikler,

First off, welcome to GTO!

Second, many, many of the players here have been playing since the 90's like yourself (me included) and many have been playing even longer, and if its one thing they'll all tell you without exception its this: the "old wolves" can always learn new tricks. This game is organic- not static. Its considerably more dynamic than the ole Infantry Push Mechanic you found in the original and the strategies have developed to be correspondingly sophisticated. In other words, even the most experienced player will tell you that they are always learning.

You feel the Allies can dominate a G10? Cool. I know many players who would be interested in playing with you and learning any strategy that will do that - myself included. New and different strategies are always welcome.

But just keep this in mind: an experienced board player will have 50-100 games under his belt, while here you will find many with a thousand or so games played. I think you will find that the game-play is commensurate with the experience, and that experience is considerable. I agree GTO doesn't have a monopoly on A&A, but it probably does have the largest concentration of talented, experienced gamers anywhere. The strategies employed at GTO are the result of thousands of games, by thousands of gamers, who have each added to each other's game play through experience and discussion. And they are still evolving and growing.

I'd suggest trying a light read through the strategy threads. While commander chaos may post some of the funniest messages on the boards, I disagree with him and say that you will find strategy ideas from many of the most experienced and talented players on GTO. But I do agree that you should take it with a grain of salt. There are many ways to win this game, and after seeing the wide variety offered on the message boards, as well as your own experience, I'm sure you'll find an Axis strategy that will win with a G10 bid.

If you see me in the lobby, I'd enjoy a game.

Cheers,
BKBrawler

[commander_chaos]

Really bk?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SwQtVsRXsc

The best dont COO about what works.... A winner listens, a loser just waits until it is their turn to talk

lol, dont mean you bk.... but pls do send me a 42 challenge, 0 bid u pic sides

[smalldog47]

I have never been part of an axis 10 bid so i'm not exactly sure what extra units that entails....but let me assure you that if you give out axis 10 bids to any 1 of about 30 players that I can name on gto and your record will be awful. Maybe you get a couple wins due to overwhelmingly bad axis luck.Be that as it may,welcome to GTO and gl !!! If you pbem i'll be content with a g7 bid..

[Rikler]

thks UtzChips,

I look forward to playing you a game. I would never profess to be one of the top players. If the real top players play here then I am not one of them.

When the game was popular I was one of the top Axis players. But being top AXIS IS EASIER THEN being a top allied player. I never got to that level. I mainly played for fun and when I tried league play I didn`t really enjoy it and wasn`t very good due to allied expertise handicap.

To be honest I don`t think the best players would do this form of the game. To play the best you would have to join the league club advertised in this forum and you have to have the cd to play there. I looked it over last night and saw a few names I recognized.

[Rikler]

Thks bkbawler,

If what you say is true then this will be fun. I will always give axis 10. I think it only sporting but 8 is actually the best bid to get in my opinion. I think axis needs the tank in Libya which is why I will give you 10 but not 8.

[Rikler]

Thxs smalldog47 ,

I look forward to having the worst ever GTO record.

[Rikler]

To Chaos.

I will beat you like u one of me kids.

[tomhobbes]

Hey, Rikler. I just restarted this game after quitting for a long time, so I'm kind of out of shape, but playing against an opponent who's willing to give me a g10 bid sounds interesting... Are you interested in a low luck game?